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cocoa2  
#1 Posted : Wednesday, June 21, 2017 11:37:33 PM(UTC)
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Here's a nice article about the Fleet.
http://www.drf.com/blogs...menting-his-name-history
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#2 Posted : Friday, June 23, 2017 10:21:18 PM(UTC)
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Great article, Cocoa! He's one of the greats I don't know too much about so it's was a very good read for me. I need to find some books about this guy.
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#3 Posted : Saturday, June 24, 2017 2:25:57 PM(UTC)
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Interestingly, Kilmer, the owner of Exterminator, bred Reigh Count and didn't think much of him and sold him to Hertz for what has always been said to be a pittance.
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#4 Posted : Saturday, June 24, 2017 2:33:35 PM(UTC)
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Great article, Cocoa! He's one of the greats I don't know too much about so it's was a very good read for me. I need to find some books about this guy.


The best book which has a great deal about Count Fleet in it, is American Racehorses of 1943 by John Hervey. This is a book that has information about the best horses of that year and is quite detailed. The book The Most Glorious Crown has a chapter on Count Fleet.There isn't a full bio just on Count Fleet and the Racing Memoirs of John Hertz was a limited edition publication of 1,000 volumes. Though I honestly don't think that many were published. I have a copy of it and found it on eBay, but it is a rare book.

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#5 Posted : Saturday, June 24, 2017 2:38:32 PM(UTC)
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Great article, Cocoa! He's one of the greats I don't know too much about so it's was a very good read for me. I need to find some books about this guy.


American Race horses of 1943 by John Hervey has a detailed section about him as does The Most Glorious Crown. The Racing Memoirs of Hertz is a very rare book and had a very limited publication run ( at the most 1,000 copies). I have a copy but I have only seen one other copy in years on eBay.
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#6 Posted : Saturday, June 24, 2017 2:54:52 PM(UTC)
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The Kentucky Derby by Peter Chew has some information about Count Fleet. Trader Clark in his remembrances about the track states that Hertz decided to buy Reigh Count after the horse tried to savage another horse in a race as a two year old. Hertz, among his many jobs throughout his life, he had managed prize fighters and was impressed with Reigh Count's fighting spirit.
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#7 Posted : Saturday, June 24, 2017 2:57:26 PM(UTC)
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Sire Lines by Abram Hewitt has information on Count Fleet. If you want the best synopsis of his racing career, find Hervey's book
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#8 Posted : Saturday, June 24, 2017 8:09:21 PM(UTC)
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Thanks, Buckpasser, I figured you'd know all of them. I'm not sure how much like I'll have with finding Hervey's book, but I'll look for it and the others as well. There are quite a few on-line bios so I can get started with those.

Well, that worked out great. When you said there was a limited edition, I thought the John Hervey book might be super expensive, but I found it on Abe Books for under $50, very nice!

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#9 Posted : Saturday, June 24, 2017 8:21:24 PM(UTC)
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Buck, what I would give to spend a few days in your library!
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#10 Posted : Saturday, June 24, 2017 8:22:07 PM(UTC)
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no kidding, SS!
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#11 Posted : Saturday, June 24, 2017 8:31:39 PM(UTC)
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Buck, what I would give to spend a few days in your library!


Thanks. I do have a large number of racing books and magazines.
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Thanks. I do have a large number of racing books and magazines.


I gathered from our many book conversations. I have some good ones thanks to your knowledge & help. But I'm still looking for that elusive one.

A lot of my books revolve around stallions.
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#13 Posted : Saturday, June 24, 2017 8:37:45 PM(UTC)
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no kidding, SS!


Thanks. I've spent many years collecting them. On Count Fleet, what is interesting is that there were several articles in Turf and Sport Digest during 1946 at the time of Assault that didn't consider Count Fleet that impressive. I consider Turf and Sport Digest the real bible of racing. Many of the great turf writers like Harvey, Hatton, Alexander etc. wrote extensively for the publication. Many adopted pseudonyms for their articles. You can find many old issues on eBay for reasonable prices.
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#14 Posted : Sunday, June 25, 2017 3:20:16 PM(UTC)
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Thanks, Buckpasser, I figured you'd know all of them. I'm not sure how much like I'll have with finding Hervey's book, but I'll look for it and the others as well. There are quite a few on-line bios so I can get started with those.

Well, that worked out great. When you said there was a limited edition, I thought the John Hervey book might be super expensive, but I found it on Abe Books for under $50, very nice!


Try eBay. Could be cheaper. The American Racehorses was a series that AG Vanderbilt started and were published by Sagamore Press. There were volumes starting in 1936 and went to 1963. The first volumes were done by John Hervey and then Jie Palmer took over. After that was Joe Estes. In my opinion the best volumes are 1936 to 1955. The rest are too general and cover too many horses.

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#15 Posted : Monday, June 26, 2017 9:07:22 AM(UTC)
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E-Bay had 1936 and 1939, I believe, but not 1943.
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#16 Posted : Tuesday, June 27, 2017 7:11:46 PM(UTC)
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E-Bay had 1936 and 1939, I believe, but not 1943.


Keep it as a followed search. These books come up regularly for varied prices. Hardest to find edition is 1955. Why I don't know, but it was last one I needed to find for a complete set and it took a long time.
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